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#1 Mar 27 2016 at 11:53 PM Rating: Excellent
My body is ready!
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#2 Mar 28 2016 at 8:22 AM Rating: Decent
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I still need to get seven more items to finish rhe last bit...
#3 Mar 28 2016 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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If they're smart, they'd nerf the first step a bit (since you know, new expansion, things should be different than 2-3 years ago yadda yadda) so hold off till tomorrow to see what they plan to do, even if it's increasing drop rate.

If what I found in dat digging is any indication..oh man people who loves grinds will love the next step.
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#4 Mar 28 2016 at 10:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have completely ignored every relic upgrade (except zenith) and I don't see that changing now.
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#5 Mar 28 2016 at 6:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Probably going to skip this one. 40/80 on the 210 piece. I'm only finishing that to get the items out of my inventory and it felt silly to throw them away. Doing the same thing over and over is not fun. Sad the the devs won't realize that.

I don't mind some long term goals or something that will take a while to get, but grinding for a weapon that's already outdated is not worth it. In 2.x, the relic kept pace with current weapons out there. In 3.x is always behind. If they released the first relic quest when alex extreme was released and tonight's release with 3.2, it might've been worth it.
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ummm 5 ilvls behind = not behind?
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Yep, it's behind and NA players got their wish. When I seen Aether Oil in dats I was expecting it to be dumped into old content...well, people wanted a reason to run the obsolete Crystal Towers...well, have fun doing that weekly instead of asking SE to introduce NEW content for relic.
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#8 Mar 29 2016 at 10:17 AM Rating: Excellent
Looking forward to revisiting CT. And this upgrade step looks pretty easy. And I can get an upgrade item to give my ninja a weapon for the 50 to 55 climb. Win!
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#9 Mar 29 2016 at 11:27 AM Rating: Good
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I have completely ignored every relic upgrade (except zenith) and I don't see that changing now.


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#10 Mar 30 2016 at 12:33 PM Rating: Excellent
Did Syrcus Tower last night for the first time in forever and we absolutely crushed it, lol. It's crazy what happens when the entire alliance is at the gear cap.
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#11 Apr 11 2016 at 12:04 PM Rating: Default
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I havent even done any of the the story missions or no dungeons from the last update. Ive pretty much quit the game (yet still paying for it) when I realized Ill never have the best current equipment in game cause the community sucks and doesnt wanna take new ppl in to do hard content to help them gain the xeperinec they need to finish it (when they first went in they were inexperienced too right? they weren't just magically bestowed the experience needed to beat the content they first day it came out.. if they were able to learn what makes them think no one else can?).

Ive also pretty much given up on relic since they didnt nerf the previous steps.. I seriously do not wanna do each from of alex gordias 200 times each. SE needs to come up with better ways to grind relic instead of this... they did a FINE job implementing steps for the first relic up until Light Farming (and even after light farming the next step was good too.... the final step after that however was not). but then they make the grind for the new relic terrible right out the gate.

and before someone says "relic was fine until light farming? What about Atma?" Completing a 30 second fight for an extremely low chance at an item drop you need to me is STILL better than doing a 5-10 minute fight 800 times guaranteed, or a 30 minute dungeon 50-100 times. the thing with atma is it COULD have taken 800 fates or it coulda taken 8... thats all on luck.. whereas the other it WILL take 800 fights.. no luck factor involved 800 is mandatory as opposed to atmas "800 is just worst case scenario"

Same with Light farming before nerf.. i WILL have to kill garuda 275 times.... umm god no.... but at least with that ppl could drop her in under 2 minute so it was like doin a fate... no ones droppin alex gordias normal 1, 2 3 or 4 in under 2 minutes
#12 Apr 12 2016 at 6:53 AM Rating: Default
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Yep, the issue is they delayed relic and "don't have the resources" to create a proper questline and as stated, they simply had the item team work on it. You don't have to run all 4 floors of Gordias 200 times each but it's the most efficient unless you want to do a week straight of Hunts. The relic quest from 2.0 was still largely done when they actually had people working on this game and cared about the game's design. Now that they make money doing bare minimum, they have no reason to put care into it. (and if you worked in the industry even a little, you know that's not even a bad thing because SE above any other company has proven if you make a lot of money putting in as little as possible you don't need to fix what ain't broke.)

They said they matched relic 3.x to Alexander Gordias Savage progression, which is silly because Relic is supposed to be the "alternative" that lasts through the updates but will always be outdated no matter what in its current design. (inb4 but it's free blah blah blah.)

I don't know though, when they're not making as much money we'll see a shakeup, but till then since so many people find it perfect nothing will ever change. I don't mind item collection grinding (I love PSO2 after all) but it's just sad to know such a talented developer simply doesn't care because they have no reason to care currently.
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#13 Apr 12 2016 at 9:29 AM Rating: Default
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yeah FFXI relic was more "fun" and thoughtout than this... sue you had to do dynamis a million times but you couldnt only do that once-twice a week and in the mean time you weer working on getting gear drops you might need/want you werent doing old content that you had absolutely NO reason to do other than to get relic items
#14 Apr 12 2016 at 9:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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yeah FFXI relic was more "fun" and thoughtout than this


lol!

I seriously was just going to ignore this latest nega-fest, but damn lol. No comparison is too dramatic!

Edited, Apr 12th 2016 8:52am by Thayos
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#15 Apr 12 2016 at 11:07 AM Rating: Good
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yeah FFXI relic was more "fun" and thoughtout than this

Part of me knows better than to reply to anything Duo says, but really? Are you freaking kidding me?
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#16 Apr 12 2016 at 11:43 AM Rating: Decent
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yeah FFXI relic was more "fun" and thoughtout than this


lol!

Agreed. "Go farm tens of thousands of currency with occasional NPC forced waits and a couple NM fights!"

To this day, I still say the currency reqs are bullsheet. Sure, they're easier to make now with the cap increase, revised Dynamis, and RoV KI abolishing entry cooldown, but all that did was change 4 hours weekly farming over 3 months into 48 hours you could do all at once if you're insane. Players did a good job of deluding themselves into believing their rarity translated to power when only a couple were really worth their cost back then.
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#17 Apr 12 2016 at 1:33 PM Rating: Good
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yeah FFXI relic was more "fun" and thoughtout than this

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Sure, they're easier to make now with the cap increase, revised Dynamis, and RoV KI abolishing entry cooldown, but all that did was change 4 hours weekly farming over 3 months into 48 hours you could do all at once if you're insane. Players did a good job of deluding themselves into believing their rarity translated to power when only a couple were really worth their cost back then.


You only have to be insane if you want to be. It's more a change from a scheduled 4 hours a week for years to whenever you want for as long as it takes at your own pace to get it. On it's own the 4-6 hours a week isn't all that much. That's less than 1/4 of your typical MMO gamer's play time for a week. Sure it took years to make, but at the time it was expected to last forever.

The only real issue with the way it was implemented was how many man-hours it took coupled with the lockout being so long. I liked that you could make it more difficult by running with less players, but I didn't like that it also amounted to less reward.

I used to wish Dyna worked on a scaling drop system. If you had less players in the zone, the currency drop rate increases and the gear drop rate decreases. Larger groups get more gear and less currency.


Edited, Apr 12th 2016 5:54pm by FilthMcNasty
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#19 Apr 12 2016 at 8:32 PM Rating: Decent
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yeah FFXI relic was more "fun" and thoughtout than this


lol!

I seriously was just going to ignore this latest nega-fest, but **** lol. No comparison is too dramatic!

Edited, Apr 12th 2016 8:52am by Thayos


You DO see the quotation marks around the word fun right? Or do i really need to explain to people what that means?

Point was Im going to Dynamis for OTHER reasons.. like my AF drops... if I get a million currency in the process good... but its no the main reason Im going there. With XIV relic youre literally doing content you have ABSOLUTELY no reason AT ALL to do just for the sake of doing it 200+ times for your relic.


Edited, Apr 12th 2016 9:35pm by DuoMaxwellxx
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With XIV relic youre literally doing content you have ABSOLUTELY no reason AT ALL to do just for the sake of doing it 200+ times for your relic.


Sounds like you have a reason to do the content.

You just don't have two reasons.
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#21 Apr 12 2016 at 10:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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With XIV relic youre literally doing content you have ABSOLUTELY no reason AT ALL to do just for the sake of doing it 200+ times for your relic.


Actually, that's not always true either.

I had more than one reason on each of the last two relic steps.

This most recent step, I needed items from the Crystal Tower raids to upgrade weapons/armor for the ninja I'm leveling.

And the HUGE step before that, I advanced my PvP rank, leveled my beastman reputation and farmed tomes for my main job while using the lesser tomes for my relic.

"Snaaaaaaaaaap!"

Edited, Apr 12th 2016 9:27pm by Thayos
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So on the same topic, I have just started my first relic. I'd like to ask, "Is it worth it?", but that is subject. What are your thoughts?
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#23 Apr 13 2016 at 12:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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So on the same topic, I have just started my first relic. I'd like to ask, "Is it worth it?", but that is subject. What are your thoughts?


It really depends completely on you.

The biggest strength and weakness of FFXIV is that it's a more casual-oriented game. If you approach the game from a pure min/max perspective, then you'll have a hard time being happy with anything given the speed of the game's vertical progression.

The big "issue" with the relic weapon is that if you don't feel like grinding for one, then you don't need to wait long to get access to a tome weapon that's either equal or superior -- so some players question the need to get one at all.

However, if you enjoy the goal and the process of working toward one -- and if you're not bothered by the game's vertical progression -- then you should definitely go for it.

I do the relic weapon for my main job. I prefer to use my tomes for armor, and later I'll farm a tome weapon for my backup DPS job. But I like that the relic is continually upgraded and thus never really becomes "obsolete." (Although a min/maxer would see things differently, but it's all a matter of perspective.)

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With XIV relic youre literally doing content you have ABSOLUTELY no reason AT ALL to do just for the sake of doing it 200+ times for your relic.


Actually, that's not always true either.

I had more than one reason on each of the last two relic steps.

This most recent step, I needed items from the Crystal Tower raids to upgrade weapons/armor for the ninja I'm leveling.

And the HUGE step before that, I advanced my PvP rank, leveled my beastman reputation and farmed tomes for my main job while using the lesser tomes for my relic.

"Snaaaaaaaaaap!"

Edited, Apr 12th 2016 9:27pm by Thayos



Ok so YOU had a reason to. That doesnt help ME or anyone else who doesnt. Im not insane enough to wanna gear a second job when by the time you get close to gearing one new equipment is coming to make it second rate next month and i couldnt care less about pvp.gimmie open world pvp (even if its only consental duel-/challenge based THEN id be interested)

Theres a reason ppl say relic quests are just to rehash old content that NO ONE would be doing anymore otherwise thus makinf it easier for the small number of new ppl that might actually need said content to get help. So yeah like i said no reason to do it
#25 Apr 13 2016 at 2:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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So yeah like i said no reason to do it


For "you." That's an important distinction to make.
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#26 Apr 13 2016 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
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Theres a reason ppl say relic quests are just to rehash old content that NO ONE would be doing anymore otherwise thus makinf it easier for the small number of new ppl that might actually need said content to get help. So yeah like i said no reason to do it


That sounds like a pretty good reason to keep doing that actually. New players are signing up all the time. If no one is around to do this content with them, then they can't do the content. It's an inevitable consequence of the armory system disincentivizing alts. So they tie old content to relic lines, which people want to complete, therefore the content has people doing it. If they juggle it just right, they can keep all their content relevant all at the same time.
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