GET READY FOR THE RELIC GRINDFollow

Yep.

And, as I just noted above, the armory system also encourages longtime players to go back and repeat content. I've found tremendous value in this relic cycle in farming items from the Crystal Tower raids, and I've played since 1.x launch.

Already said up above.

I farmed my relic when law tomes were still dropped, so I was able to farm esoterics and work toward my relic at the same time.

I also did PvP (which I greatly enjoy in small doses) to farm both esos and law, and I was able to raise up my beastman reputation levels.





I was using my tomes for my relic weapon. And after completing the third step, I used my tomes beyond that to buy base gear for my ninja. After that point, why bother with spamming unsynched coil runs -- which sounds incredibly boring, by the way -- when I could work toward a relic AND improve my ninja's gear at the same time (while running content I hadn't done in awhile)?

You're not making sense, Hio.

Edited, Apr 13th 2016 6:04pm by Thayos

Based on what you say you want from an MMO, you're probably going to be quite disappointed by what XI has become. When I first resubbed, I ran around for quite a long time shouting for a linkshell, but got no replies. I even chatted with a player (it's hard to find actual players in the world at times) about his ls, and he pretty much said most linkshells now don't recruit because they're essentially big statics.

Fortunately, one guy from back in the day (Fynlar, on these boards) was still around, and he gave me a pearl to his linkshell. Seriously, though, unless you have a couple friends still alive in Vana'diel, don't get your hopes up too much. The game is still fun, but very different and objectively kind of dead.

Also, let's revisit your early comment in its entirety:



Sorry, but putting "fun" in quotes doesn't hide the meaning of what you're saying. You go on to justify why you think the XI relic system was superior to the XIV relic system. The XI system was absolutely terrible, and the fact you're even attempting to defend it (and say it's in any way better than XIV's system) is a joke. It's even more funny because, as I explained above, you can also work toward an XIV relic while collecting other useful rewards.

And I guess certain people need to be reminded to read more carefully before criticizing.



Edited, Apr 13th 2016 6:14pm by Thayos

I already know FFXI is nothing like it used to be and you can solo 99.99% of it now.. so Id just mainly be playing it like a single player game to experience the story, only reason why i havent is Im trying to convince myself that can be done in a month or less but i know thats unlikely.


However Im pretty sure there are still uninstanced dungeons o explore and high level enemies that I CAN get aggro from and WILL get killed by because theyre no on a leash and will chase me to the ends of the earth and kill me unless i happen to make it to a zone first while trying to run from something than can hit you for 50 yards away lol.

So yes the community aspect may be pretty dead but Im sure everything else I said is still acurate

No, it simply means you choose to purposefully ignore it in order to have a point. The relic in XI is event based, XIV's is not. The entire progression of XI's original relic is based largely around an event designed for it with a few steps that require outside activities like NMs or crafted items. The fact you're doing relevant content that also dropped gear and items you sought after for various reasons is a lot more "fun" than going into content you normally don't touch because there's no reason to. Since fun is subjective, he wrote it properly as "fun" because around here, and most of the FF community, including Fynlar talking **** on the official forums about people complaining about nerfing content during the content cycle instead of after as per vertical progression, you have to watch what you say if you care about discussion, otherwise you're just going to get attacked, as proven in this thread.

You didn't explain anything, by the way. What purpose would someone level 60 have going into 2.x dungeons that wouldn't benefit them at all? Most people did their relics on their level 60 classes because they wanted to get the pointless steps out the way asap (plenty of websites shows this data and even SE stated it which is why they added the "time trial" aspect to it.)




It's not trolling. The problem is you worded it in a way the FFXIV defenders take it as an attack on their perfect game. Logically, if I joined XIV now, 3 years later, I wouldn't expect the starting game (2.x) to be relevant at all and if anything, I expect it the game to be rushing me to 3.x, like ANY RPG or persistent game world. I don't expect the game to force me to do content I've long been past.

If you embrace vertical progression, you shouldn't be embracing running obsolete content. No other MMO community would, people didn't in FFXI because people found it "lazy"..yet somehow...people find it acceptable to do the same practice they call other developers lazy for doing with their MMO. Especially on the OF where people criticize games like BDO, TERA, WoW and B&S for doing the same thing SE does with XIV...

It's kind of hilariously sad when you think about it. This is exactly why nothing will change with XIV because people are too accepting of things they criticize other developers for doing.

Edited, Apr 14th 2016 6:28am by Theonehio

Actually, that's how every MMO was designed for the majority of it's life. If there's an established end-game, like any MMO/Online game worth playing has, until you're actually caught up you're really not going to be any use to people. Even this game employs it in the format of Ilvls, which is why people who trick the ilvl to queue are extremely easy to point out or people who choose to do no research at all on a year+ old content and constantly wipe people in the duty finder because they "prefer to go blind" are of no use.

It's just a direct way to state that if you jump into a game late, it isn't all that surprising or weird to find the game being "pushed forward" and the starting point is in a bit of a weird situation.

WoW, as exampled, is a GOOD example of vertical progression done properly until recently. XIV is a bad example of vertical progression because it's trying to keep certain content relevant by forcing NEW content to use it..most other MMOs wouldn't do that because in this day and age, 3 years later, you're not expecting to be running content you did 2-3 years ago if you played consistently.

I think a large disconnect with some people is they don't care about the opinions and thoughts of concurrent players, they're strictly siding with people who may play, just like Yoshida stated. Which is fine, more money, but everyone you choose to attract to your game matters too, but far too often you can see, even here, people telling you to go away because it conflicts with their OPINION.

I mean hell, unless you're in a populated data center (Aether specifically), good luck starting this new game out without help, because queue times for certain PvP and a lot of 2.x content is so bad you'd wish you could skip the content altogether...which is exactly why the Chinese and Korean Version (potentially) employs a "level 50 headstart" type of setup, because Heavensward is supposed to be the current game focus. Let's be honest, the only reason they do have us doing old content, is because of the very reason people weren't touching older content which made it harder for people to progress on required 2.x content.

I don't mean "oh no the big bad raiders" didn't touch it, I mean damn near anyone who actually plays the game didn't randomly queue stuff they no longer need. How often did people queue Cape Westwind or even the Research Facility after they finished it?

Edited, Apr 14th 2016 6:42am by Theonehio

Seriously, there's so many tears that maybe I can start filling up a second bathtub here.

Why are you drinking from a bathtub, Thayos?

So delicious, and astoundingly bountiful.