I have played almost every type of Eld there is, and have come up with the following idea. Only the player should decide how to build their character. Don't rely on advice of others, even if they have more play time in, because I guarantee you some of these posts are exaggerated in the claims they make. Just fell free to experiment until you find what you like, and remember that you always have those skill respecs at 20 and 40.
I'm a lvl50 void eld. 50(+15) void (max dam) 14(+7) light (ae-mezz, nearsight) rest mana (little pbae against stealther) I have to say that all of the three spec lines can be very powerfull in rvr. Void: Kill enemy casters with 1 max 2 bolts Mana: 9sec Stun enemy, run into him, 9sec=3 bombs=every char is dead Light: Although there is ni lvl50 light eld on logres, I am sure that if you like this char and play it well it can also be as powerfull.
As of right now, I have a 43 light eldritch that i absolutly love. its a nice all around spec for an eld. void is more soloing, mana is more rvr, but i find light just right. And if you want to make an eld I have two simple steps to help you figure out how.
1- Pick one of the above (void, mana, or light)
2- (cardinal rule here) ONLY put your spec points in the one you chose!!!!! dont distribute points until you start mini dinging. But keep your main spec at max!!!
Do those 2 steps and you will be fine. personally i put my mini ding points into mana so i can get a pbaoe for those times when i need to sniff out a stealther.
all you people that say void is better then light for rvr you are dead wrong. i have a lvl 50 void eld on bedevere and a lvl 45 light eld. void is great dont get me long i love to be able to 1 bolt 2 bolt cloth wearers and stealths but for tanks i get nothing u can only cast 2 spells and the dd is slow as hell plus bolts get blocked ALL the time if one of your bolts get blocked your screwed plus bolts do nothing if their alrdy aggro on somebody so that basically puts away everybody in an actual rvr battle heres the spec my void eld has over 1 mill rps his specs are 46 void/28 light my light is full light spec and my void eld has 832k rps and my light eld is at 300k rps. i LOVE my light eld. i can dish out an ezy 400-475 dd a cast on even con TANKS!! i have taken 2 on 1 before i came across a even conn troll and another even conn kobold i imediatly ae mezz ran back and nuked the troll in 3 reg and 1 quickcast and it killed over then i turned and nuked the kobold ezy he attempted to get a spell out but was dead before he had a chance to put his 2 cents in light is amazing for killing all classes in rvr void is good for killing cloth wearers/stealth and for sniping and defending keeps because of thei ranged aoes. overall if you are looking to dominate all classes in rvr and be loved in your rvr group go light eld i cannot stress that enough.
Well here is my two cents worth. I think it does not make a difference much at all. Each magic focus has its points and if played correctly can be effective. Some may be more generally accepted, but all of them can work. The point is the actualy person playing the character has to be smart and study his spells so he knows the effects, distances, etc. It does not matter "HOW" much you have specialized in a focus if you use it incorrectly. Hmmmm guess that's way casters are suppose to be smart.
There is something to be said for specing light, thus shadow, to the mez spells. Say if you are grouping sans Bard, or worse your Bard gets whacked and there are still 2 mobs to be dealt with. I say an eld is not complete without some backup plan. Damage is great but one must account for contingencies.
to me, this will be a good eldritch for my play style. light is awsome, but i dont really need it because void does enough damage already. i have enough in light to use the basic AE mez when i need to, and the 28 mana will give me the first AE str/con debuff which (if u can get it off) ruins whole clusters of tanks... not to mention AE disease, which makes them harder to heal and kills natural regen. army approaches, AE str/con debuff, AE disease and then massive AE nukes from void mastery. bolts are awsome vs monsters and for ganking people and other casters. i found in BG i was killing blue avalonians in one bolt :)
so, im more of a keep defender large scale rvr than small stun rvr, but what makes a realm good is a variety of differnt characters. most wont spec like i did but thats ok... :)
ok i am a lvl 10 eldrich and thinkin of putting light light and more light nothin else....now from reading all your posts u say i should put some in void and mana? anyway will it be a good idea put all in light and just mez nuke nuke?
Mana eld's are the ****, no questions asked, extreamly useful in AE groups. like insanely powerful. 2 or 3 nukes and you have just done up to 1000 dmg with out crits to any number of mobs, as long as you have smart tanks it all works. RVR mana elds rock, snare nukes lets see you run away now 60% slower is a Huge diff in rvr, void does beat mana in rvr thats about it =)
For those people up above who said that AOE are useless besides in rvr, you are dead wrong. If you get into groups and you have 4 tanks, 2 healers, and 2 eldritch with AOE capability, you don't need crowd control. You put a tank on each, let the healers do their thing, and then after tanks have established aggro you start cutting loose. AOE spells don't do quite as much as DD's so they don't aggro so easy, and you can hit 4 mobs at a time easy. When I hunt with my guildies, we commonly pull 4 mobs(this is a 40's group). I can either 1) Nuke one mob with a DD for about 300. or 2) Nuke 4 Mobs for 225 to 250 each. Hmmm Should I do 1k damage and not be aggrod, or do 300 and get possible aggro? Easy choice. This isn't EQ. Don't try to turn it into it.
imo Viod is the way to go, I'm full speced in Viod at lvl 30 and I kill yellows in 2 or 3 cast. Oranges in 4 or 5. My bolts at lvl 30 Oblivion Bolt (Void Spec Bolt) does 360 dmg to yellows, and Void Gulf ( lvl based) does 320 dmg. just those 2 spells the monster is almost dead add a crit in there and it is dead :)
well heres my 2 cents back atcha! I'm lvl 30 also and i am full light spec, by the time you cast your first bolt (4 sec casting time) i can cast my nuke twice and do 300ish to yellows per cast so i can almost double your damage of your first bolt, and before you ever got the 2nd one off, the mob would be dead...faster kill = faster xpin, plus i get to have AE mez and full skill in my stun, and 2 lines of 2sec nukes so you voidies can have fun tryin to run down and get a bolt off in rvr with your 4sec casting time...you will get to cast and do that once every 30 seconds or so...that is when your quickcast comes back up lmao...id rather quick myself a stun or mez and mow some multiples down and be, uhm, well...spectacular
I'm a level 31 Eld. (About to make 32) and what I decided to do was to spread my points out a bit. Basically, when I started, I pumped a lot into Void (which has GREAT range & does good damage), but I found that 1) The Casting time bites 2) the time BETWEEN the casts (15 sec.) is insane. After talking to a few other elds, I came up with this strategy which allows me to take on blues EASY, Yellows NORMALLY, and Oranges on occasion. It also rounds me out nicely, since I can do a lot of things decently, and help in groups and solo, plus RvR.
I have 20 in Void, 20 in Light and 13 in Mana
When I'm soloing, I start with Void Spells because of the good damage and awesome range. I back up, as far away to get the maximum distance between me and my kill--that way in case I miss or they resist, there is room for me to book if the need comes up. I usually start with either Void Fissure or Null Bolt. They both have roughly the same damage (109 & 104) and they have great range. Then I follow up with either a Sun Streak or a Major Ethereal Explosion---I'm usually able to get of 2 of these. That's a total of 5 spells so far.
At this point, 1 of 2 things has happened---Usually. It's either dead, or just about to drop dead. If it's not dead, then I can quick cast a Paralyzation spell (a la Prismatic Shimmer) and hit it 1 or if need be 2 more times w/ either Sun Streak again, or w/ Ethereal Explosion. Hell, sometimes I just poke it w/ my stick and it drops dead.
Now if the bugger is still coming on, I go back to paralyzing it and beating feet till I'm a safe distance away. Either way, I’m alive and kicking and it's probably at least 1/2 dead.
As for being in a group---well that depends on the group your with. Some groups want you to debuff or paralyze and others just want you to blast, blast, blast! The same can be applied to RvR. You can either debuff or you can blast. The long range on Void spells mean you can make it dangerous for the enemy to come close, or you can debuff the hell out of him to help the tanks out. Light spells work great for close DD.
Either way, as one of the other post stated, it’s hard to go wrong if you know what to do in different situations. If you just play it cool and use your spells in the right way, your going to be a welcome addition to any group, and you should do well soloing (at least up till around 30+ level).
man, a lot of these spells are wrong... too many for me tomeone should get the time, but someone should tell these people...maybe not the damage they do, but the leves you get them and the names...god give me an accurate board someday please.
lol, maybe cause this is the spec line based on your spec skill? They are all correct as well as the base dmg numbers they give here...Everything is accurate.
I am a mana eld, and I never die to anything yellow.
never.
mana is the best asset to any group with a Tank that Doesn't Suck (meaning they know how to taunt). Two prefereably. Pull, draw aggro, taunt taun taunt while mana AE's them to death in no time.
all eldritch must at some point get light to L4 for the AE mez - it will save your life countless times :)
im a lvl 7 eld, but it seems to me that light specilisation, when at high spec. lvl, will deal 3 to 5 blasts for high dmg, alot more than a single bolt of void, even maxed. im going for light, any objectors can kiss my ***
Bravo...I am only going to explain this one time, I dont need any replies to your oppinions..it is very simple for rvr, he who casts first wins, and if your light SKILL is not of a good level vs. the LEVEL of the target the spell is supposed to effect, then guess what you get on a mez...a resist, and i've done plenty of rvr and bolts will not go off in time for someone with an instant then there you are, try getting a high light spec for a super fast super power nuke, plus mez, PLUS THE HINDER SIGHT AND DEBUFF I WILL SAY THIS ONE TIME ONLY A DEBUFF WILL INTERUPT A SPELL CAST and the range is, yep, longer than a bolt yes longer, my range is 2300 on that spell and bolts are 1875 or so, therefore since mines 2 secs i can get it off before you can think of a bolt, and keep it up no prob(low lvl one even wont budge your mana and same range and effect) and force you into my range, not rush in like an idiot then try and cast, you have to stop...bah im not sayin it anymore spec light to 45ish and rest in your choice, im puttin rest in void and wearin +void i get a free high bolt, followed with an xtra 150-200 one behind it anyway and guess what thats 800ish+ and i still get the super nuke and mez and all explained above.....
atm im only a lvl 27 eld.. i solo 90% of the time b/c im so used to my necro solo god of EQ...im specializing in Light magic specifically for the debuffs..all your base classes light/void/mana already give you great spells... For RvR Aoe sounds sweet .. get into a pack of bad guys and aoe ?? right?? umm no... i duno bought you but nm if im lvl 15 or 27 .. theres always someone higher to take you in 1 hit or 3 .. so dont think you will get close enough to AoE less you wanna get smipped by a ranger hehe...
void is great cus it does have that long distance cast ability although the recast time of 18sec+ is crazy so you see the bad guy hobble off why you got him to 1/4 health in RvR...
i chose light cus some of the higher lvl spell have almost the same distance as your void spells .. and the cast time seems to be shorter.. i can get 4-5 casts off of a light spell before the enemy gets near .. then quickcast for another spell .. usually the mobs dead before he reaches me....light spells hit for bought 150+ for blue/yellow cons at my lvl and bought 110 for red/purples...
the point is no ONE line of spells will help you .. you need them all .. soloing grouping etc
btw HEY MYTHIC .. you know when you fix that balancing issue id sure love feign death..i know im a mage but damnit code it in there...
Now levl 25 full void Eldritch - thinking of spending some points for mes.
My question: whats the basic difference between the level 4 and 15 mes spells? I know level 15 last a little longer.
Consider I'm fighting mostly yellow/orange to me at lvl 25 - Will my level 4 mes spell get resisted all the time since its only level 4 and I will not have that much points in this line? Thanks.
mez lvl 4 spell only last 3 seconds (i believe it is a waste of power), while a mez lvl 15 spell last 5 seconds (enough time to get an additional moon blast in), great for those yellow level mobs. But be careful, if you are resisted, run, because you shouldn't be using a mez on anything less then a yellow anyway.
What's the difference between PARALYZE and MEZMERIZE?
Planning my Eldrich (not having spent 5 seconds in the game, yet -- *grin*), it seems to me that by the time I got to 50, I'd want mana specialization just enough to get the healing nerf (6 levels of it, 21 points ... perhaps just the thing to do with levels 10 and 11), shadow at about level 26 (is there really a major difference between a 21 second mez and a 26 second mez?), and the rest in Void (which should be pretty dang high, but I know it won't be maxed).
Mezz can be broken when the mob/player gets hit. Stun or paralyze will last a lot shorter but will totally impair the target and let you deal damage without breaking it.
I would advise specializing full in something (unless you do mana, then you might wanna put SOME points into something like void.) I agree totally wish Zedd's little table thingy. It really hasta suit your playstyle. Light or Void i say.
I have been snooping around on these boards for a bit, since my best friend has told me I HAVE to go get DAOC. :-)
From a character concept perspective, I like the sun, and shadow control specialization has meaning to me. Damage is obvious -- it does more damage, right? So a base damage 103 spell does less than a base damage 133 spell to the same creature, right? Is that also pro-rated for spell level? I.e., higher LEVEL spells are required to damage higher level creatures? Or is that fairly consistent? (I would assume consistency / linear damage.)
But the things that are NOT obvious to me are the snare / mez spells. What is the difference between a 37 Mez and a 47 Mez? Longer duration? Less resistance? 37 Mez not work on tougher mobs?