I finally won't have to raid to endgame!Follow

As I said, I sub occasionally to see what's changed. Every time I do my fingers are crossed that I'll see at least the beginnings of a pivot away from the clone zone.

The main problem I have with what you're saying is that it's grossly exaggerated which is why it's overly dramatic. I don't hate the game and I've stated several times that it's deserving of it's recent success. The main reasons I don't sub full time are mostly based around principle.

It's difficult for me to support something(pretty much anything) that doesn't function as well as competitors offer at the same cost or less. Also, much of what XIV is offering are simply the same mechanics that other games offer with a modified name and a little bit different flavor to avoid being a carbon copy. Even if I had money to burn I'd feel better offering it to the company providing the same or better service at no cost.

Most of the gripes I have with XIV are common in almost all MMOs on the market and I usually state that in my posts. Those that are specific to XIV mainly deal with oversights for things that I feel are 'no-brainer' issues that should have been considered prior to implementation. Fool me twice kind of things where they either didn't learn from prior mistakes(their own or those of other games they compete with).

I find it odd that you'll carry on about how the opinions are negative, yet you(and don't be ashamed because these are issues shared by many players) agree when the idea is the same with softer vocabulary to explain it. It's like you see some sort of trigger word that immediately shifts you into defense mode even if you agree with the sentiment of what is being presented. Don't be so sensitive.

The only thread I created on these boards to my knowledge is the sticky I made in effort to assist new and returning players registering and/or reactivating their accounts. If I hated the game so much and was so negative, why would I spend time looking for information on how to facilitate bringing in new players and bringing back old players? Must've been because I'm a scumbag

I'm pretty confident you won't see any of the changes you're looking for until at least the next expansion, if even then. By now, this game is pretty much set in its ways, and it is definitely successful, so it's not like there's any need to make changes based on finances or longevity.

Sure, I hope the game continues to improve, and I think it will. But think of it more like adding seasoning to the soup, rather than making a new batch of soup.

I answered this numerous times, even in my last posts. However as filth said, you likely get triggered by something and there it goes.

Edited, Oct 27th 2015 8:02am by Theonehio

Not angry at all - Just not going to sit around and praise something and even pretend to like halfbaked features when they've done better in their OTHER MMOs and their competition MMOs have far more features..being F2P as well takes the cake. As stated - Housing shouldn't even have any issues, FFXI had the perfect base system and if they wanted it open world and knew they were going to make it open world, they should have known better to provide adequate netcode and server infrastructure for it.

If that wasn't possible, they should have, you know, looked at FFXI and take that system and expand it instead. You have the inn room, meaning the framework already exists. 99% of XIV's content is instanced already, meaning they already have the framework for it. The only hurdle would be allowing people to visit your room in a more streamlined mann...oh wait they have that system too with Private Chambers.

That's why no matter what, it'll seem that I'm negative because I actually sit and think about the game I'm actually playing, rather than ignoring that things can be better when they already proven over the past 15 years they can do so much with so little. So it's extremely hard to be "up beat" when you know things are being halfassed in this game. Is it by choice? Maybe, Yoshi does admit to wanting to "hold back" in favor of newer players, but could it be because SE doesn't allocate a lot of funds to XIV? Most likely. But is it always good to gloss over issues? Absolutely not, because no matter how much one may love this game..you simply can't ignore the problems. If this is your first MMO or the only MMO you played any length of time, it makes perfect sense people wouldn't think about the game beyond playing it, because they wouldn't know it's actually common to have better inventory management, better guild systems, better housing systems and better glamour system.

It's why I said it's kind of funny XI's is better despite the limitations on it. It's kind of how some people get triggered when they see "Final Fantasy XI" get mentioned because they personally had bad experiences with it, thus the entire game must be trash. Yet in that same light, it has systems that even modern MMOs have that this game lacks..and shouldn't lack.

If that opinion is considered negative or "just an opinion"..alright, but the fact basically every other MMO has it that also designed itself after WoW..has to mean something lol. I can enjoy what I play and still be "negative" about it because accepting anything and everything tossed at you is how mandatory DLC and store exclusives became a thing.

Yeah I know it was a joke, just saying far from angry :p

I don't even care about clones - I just hate when they don't do it right. The posts are definitely night and day because I know they're doing their all for what they have to work with. They have no more dev kits so they have to forcibily stop development on XI that requires it - meaning despite that fact..they still managed to do so much. I appreciate that and enjoy that, which is why when it comes to this game, it irks me that it seems they're doing as little as possible SIMPLY because it already gained its success.

It's like Pewdepie - Nice guy, but he literally only has to do a 2 minute video of him screaming at something and it's instantly popular and he made at least $720 on that one video alone - whereas someone with high production values and have to put their all into a video..gets glossed over. Why try when you know you're set by doing so little? Not to bash on felix but there's far better people out there with far better production quality who will never see the fame.

I don't hate ARR, I severely dislike the wasted potential Heavensward had, so its kind of hard to shake that despite what they did in DQX and XI..they seem to forgot how to make an MMO lol, but as said and even as you said yourself, they don't really need to change anything at this point since they already got what they wanted. It's pretty hard to see that despite how creative SE is, it doesn't feel like it with XIV at times.

Edited, Oct 27th 2015 9:03am by Theonehio

Edited, Oct 27th 2015 9:04am by Theonehio

The games may vary, some of the mechanics may vary but we've seen them before dating back probably before some of the people who have posted in this thread were born. LoV is essentially pet battles with a different name and slightly different mechanics than found in other games. While all of those things are welcome additions to the game that players might enjoy, they're certainly not unique.

I understand the concept of keeping things simple and familiar because many of the mobs and spells nomenclature remains from prior FF titles. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but there was an FF that was the first to have Gold Saucer. There was an FF that was first to have chocobo racing. What I would like to see is SE at least attempting to support the 'comfortable' additions of features and events we've already seen with something new.

If I were on the development team I would ask myself every time I sat down to work"What can I bring to the game that players will enjoy so much that they will want to see it 10 or 20 years later"? What is going to be the next Gold Saucer? The next chocobo race? SE ironically has earned a place in development history as the 'look forward to itâ„¢' team when it comes to future content. I would expect that they could follow their own advice and try to look forward to what will be the next event that will endear players to the game.

If you'd never played a FF title prior to XIV(as many haven't I'm sure) then the current development is probably fine. I said long ago that I expected them to fall back on basic and familiar mechanics to stabilize the game, but I feel like we've already passed the point where it's necessary to keep recycling. Eventually people might realize they are paying for a repackaged product(that's my position at this point) and lose interest. That's not what I want for the game, just how I see it playing out should it continue.



Edited, Oct 29th 2015 3:28am by FilthMcNasty

Personally If I was SE I would want to hear from those two.. I would want to know why certain people have issues with the game or why people are quitting. I realize you can not make everyone happy either but a game can not survive on just fanboys either 1.0 proved that. I feel the sediment towards this game is changing fast though. Even people on this forum and others that would have jumped down your throat for saying something bad are now agreeing sometimes and moving more in the middle.

My friends list is almost empty with people not logging in anymore or barley at all. There are allot of people leaving this game fast all of a sudden. Good news is the game seems to be still attracting new players, I see allot all the time. My server population seems to be dying back though. My neighbor played all the time now barely gets on. I was talking to someone in zam fc the other day and said people barely get on anymore and are lucky to 3 people on now even though active players is still not too bad.

I have a friend I talked to the other day we brought over from FFXI with us and thanked us a while back because he said the game kind of saved his life because he was in a bad place loosing his job. Now he is bored too.

I talked to several FFXI friends last night and two played FFXIV and now went back too FFXI. The other never played FFXIV but said he never would he has heard way to much bad about the game. He said once the servers go down in March for FFXI he is done with mmo's. The other 2 are going to try Elder scrolls when FFXI. I wanted them to come to FFXIV with us.

I get several invites a day to FC's and most have less then 5 players on. I ask them whats going on and they say the same as zam they have lots of active users they just rarely log on anymore other than the few die hards.

Sentiment about the game is changing is my point and people are becoming more negative on the game.. Right now allot of new players are picking up the slack but that well will run dry. You can not have these huge spikes in log ins after a patch and big dry periods. Eventually these people dont log back in. I dont think there is a problem yet but if something aint done you are going to see a big drop in population. People are not going to keep paying monthly for a game they play for 2 too 3 weeks after a patch and then barely log in.

I agree with those that say this is starting to feel like a game that is made for short term profit and not being set up for the future. It does feel like SE does not realise the game is successful and trying milk every penny out of it with doing very minimal work on the game or adding very much to the game. I hope they realize what they have here and start investing a little in the game so it has a good future before it is too late. This game has massive potential and they have laid good groundwork.

Some of the stuff in the new patch sounds cool but is it different?




Edited, Oct 29th 2015 10:19am by Nashred

Based on the video they showed yesterday, the Exploring stuff is just hunts in an "open instance" where you have objectives rather than wait for something to spawn. Just from the objectives I could read in that low quality stream it's like any other content we got now, but with the benefit of putting your company workshop to use for actual content.

However in terms of opening duty finder and doing it? Yeah no content like that exists yet, but its basically hunts in sea of clouds that drops Aetherial gear and gathering for scrips.

So while people want more horizontal progression, its more along the lines of actually new stats and gear that has higher weight on your abilities, since for instance anyone who raids will never be caught dead replacing Crit/Det with skillspeed and parry.

I think this will be more of what hunts should have been like.

Putting this system in open-world instances is a great idea, though, because now we'll have these big battles without half the server rushing in to make it a 10-second spam fest. SE will be able to tune these battles much more accurately to reflect the number of people allowed in each instance.

That said, this isn't like any other content we have now. The game currently doesn't have any kind of content where FCs can schedule events to work together toward common goals. This system is probably going to require teamwork and coordination, much as Sky did back in the day. This is the kind of thing FFXIV has been sorely lacking, and now we're finally getting it. This is going to be substantially different than dungeons, 24-man raids and hardcore raids.

What's even better is that once implemented, there are all sorts of things SE can do to add more objectives within the exploratory zones, so this content infrastructure never really needs to go out of style.

I'm excited to learn more details, but this looks like a great new addition.



It's too bad you're not on my server... you'd probably love my FC. I feel like we could stand to be a bit more social at times, from a purely chatty/personal standpoint... but we have members who definitely get things done. Our FC leader is super helpful, and he's great at motivating our core group to help people get all kinds of clears. It's a nice atmosphere, for sure.

Edited, Oct 29th 2015 11:12am by Thayos

Same here.

I tend to be more positive because I enjoy the game that I am playing. I don't play or pay attention to games that I don't enjoy.. Which is kind of my point.

Yep.

I just resubbed to XI the other night, and I'm loving all the changes.

Doesn't mean I'm going to start complaining about everything in XI, because 1) this game is incredibly young from a development standpoint, and 2) because this is a different kind of game than XI.

I also used to play GW2... got a max level character and FINALLY beat the story... but realized I just don't really like the game too much. I really WANTED to like it... no subscription fees, my wife wanted to play it, and ArenaNet is kind of a local company, plus I thought the battle system seemed unique when it was launched... but too many things just didn't quite fit for me. Yet not once have I lurked any GW2 fan forum and continually criticized everything that isn't how I felt it would be, simply because other games did things better.

Instead, I'm just playing the games that I felt did things better.