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First they came for the giraffes and I did not speak out -- because I wasn't a giraffe


Amusingly, it occurs to me that the first actual line from that is "First they came for the Socialists...". Next Gbaji can claim the ***** were all trade unionists and Jews.

Sigh. And yet, nearly every single thing they did (at least the ones we revile most) were things that were commonly proposed by the socialists of the day. Eugenics was a core component of socialist movements right up until Germany actually did it, and the world condemned it universally. It was an open part of the socialist ideology. What's happening is that modern socialists engage in revisionist history so as to distance themselves from what happened in Germany (and other places like Russia, China, Cambodia, etc).

If it was just about the name, you'd have a point. But it's not. It's about socialists proposing that we create systems where the weak of society are culled so the strong may thrive. The only difference between socialism back then and socialism today is that the proponents of socialism back then weren't afraid to follow their ideology to its logical conclusion. And that logical conclusion required the implementation of some kind of system to eliminate the non-productive members of society.

I know that this is non PC to say, but the only way socialism actually works in the long run is if you do this. You cannot build a system in which the government provides for the people and allow the people to consume more than they produce. Well, you can, but it will collapse. At some point you absolutely must either eliminate the non-productive people, or force them to be productive. Either of which requires more or less abandoning the concept of liberty. This hasn't magically changed since the early 20th century. The socialist thinkers have just gotten smart enough not to directly tell the masses what will happen if they follow their ideology.


If you take your head out of the sand and actually engage your brain, you'll realize that this is true.

...he said as he tried with all his might to link socialism to Nazism...

Ah, you. You might be dangerous if you could ever make an argument that wasn't immediately laughed at.

Um... Modern liberals "immediately laughing at" things, usually is a sign that they don't have a good counter argument.

In this case, when people like me argue that the ***** were socialists, we usually actually look at what the ***** did, what they said, the arguments they used, the social policies they created, the thinkers they drew upon, etc. Then we compare these to a list of socialist positions, ideologies, etc, and show how similar they are.

When people like you argue against this, you ignore the long list of commonalities and instead focus on surface stuff and fallacious counters like "Just because the word Socialist is in their name, that doesn't mean they're socialists. Just like all those countries with "Democratic" and "Republic" in their names". That's great and all, but it doesn't mean that a country or party with Socialist in the name *isn't* actually socialist (like say the USSR). Which is kinda the point.


The ***** were socialists. Period. They shared nearly every single political position with the socialists of the day. And no amount of you sticking your fingers in your ears and refusing to hear it makes it not true.

Edited, Feb 20th 2014 7:22pm by gbaji

Not just liberals laugh at you. But you know, getting caught up in labels and all that.

See, I always leave out descriptive words like that.

Thanks, Jophiel!!

Giraffes are naked by default, so it always has been.

To be fair, he's an acolyte to an ideology that sincerely believes "Party of Lincoln" should be winning them minority votes. This sort of thing is just what he does.

Next will be the Hyenas.

The plans were for the lions all along. The giraffe was just their last meal.

Lions and giraffes and bears, oh my.