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That teleport clients, but keep yourself in jeuno trick is quite easy once you get the hang of it. I never used it though, because I liked to drop off my clients in person.
I used to do tele's alot before Nozokimi and Pasco showed up and when they did show up, I didn't think anything of it at first. But then after 4 days or so they were still there. Then I thought: wtf?! So I checked them, both lv50 with lv17 sub, both crap gear and both controlled by the same player (99% sure about this), crap english and slow with tele's. So then I thought: ****, gilfarmers have taken over the tele business and I left the business. 2 whm's = good, 3 is usually a crowd and with Pasco and Nozokimi controlled by one person, you were always that screwed 3rd person. I told this **** in my LS and they all agreed, everything pointed in the direction of gilsellers/farmers, now if only I told this in lower jeuno a couple of weeks ago, could have saved a whole lot of people 'funding' gilfarmers.
But oh well, the vast majority of people at least knows now ^^;
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Go the the Pheonix server forum and look at a thread recently posted by Glance. Tried to copy and paste it but couldn't. If we all could pick just one of those schemes, I think it could work. If not, it's still a good post and well worth the read just to be educated on how and what a gilfarmer's main source of gil could be and what gilselling could do to the economy of this game. Well...I think we've already seen what it's doing, the price of sniper's ring has jumped a full 300k in 3 momths. I remember someone in my LS buying them at 250k a piece, bought one when they were around 400k and now that i have another 300k, they are 500-550k. I know there's more, but that's the only one I can really back up on how much it has risen in that time. There's also a petitition link I seen and will try to find shortly. I'll add it to this post as soon as I can.
Here's the petition link
www.petitiononline.com/ffxigil/petition-sign.html?
Edited, Thu Oct 7 17:35:38 2004 by Hexbringer
Here's the petition link
www.petitiononline.com/ffxigil/petition-sign.html?
Edited, Thu Oct 7 17:35:38 2004 by Hexbringer
Scholar
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well it seems that the gil-sellers are controling the economy at the AH's...
when you see 10 Emperor Hairpins in the Jueno AH... and all for 300k+ then you know there is something wrong. It's no longer such a rare item once there are that many up at once >_<
But people want the items... and they will go to any lengths to get the gil for those items... even going to places like IGE to buy gil... >_<
As long as the demand is there... the supply will be there also. Only thing we can do is either educate these people in what they are supporting... OR just tag-team farming NM's and crash the market on these rare items.
when you see 10 Emperor Hairpins in the Jueno AH... and all for 300k+ then you know there is something wrong. It's no longer such a rare item once there are that many up at once >_<
But people want the items... and they will go to any lengths to get the gil for those items... even going to places like IGE to buy gil... >_<
As long as the demand is there... the supply will be there also. Only thing we can do is either educate these people in what they are supporting... OR just tag-team farming NM's and crash the market on these rare items.
Alright, I've heard about this discussion and how the Love_ people have been labled as Gil Sellers.
I'm here just to defend myself. I've been playing this game now for over 8 months...there about. Some people may have seen my characters or have PTed with them.
Lovegoddess and Stormwalker.
I am NOT a gil seller. Though I have been accussed of being a Gil Buyer, I am not that either. I have earned my gil and I spend it quickly. No time to sell it off, plus being a Rng/Nin, I can't afford to be selling my gil. Also, my Whm is only lvl 30, so I can't do Teleports and my Blm is lvl 20, so no Warp II's for me. I farm NM's, but thus far I'm only 1/3 on the Leaping Lizard and 3/9 for the Valkurm Emperor. I'm also 1/3 for the Crypt Ghost, but I kept the Martial slacks instead of selling them.
I've PTed with a lot of people in the game and I've seen some shady things going on, but I wasn't aware of the Gil selling situation until now. SE needs to step in, cause quite frankly, this is illegal and pirating.
Think about it, Gil is nothing more but a program within a program...a series of numbers. This is property of SE, so all IGE and these other people are doing is selling SE property. Now why exactly, SE hasn't done anything about it, I don't know.
Well, that's my rant, thanks for taking the time to read it.
Lovegoddess
Whm-30
Blm-20
Rng-34
Nin-33
Sam-36
Drk-36
War-42
Pld-24
Thf-18
I'm here just to defend myself. I've been playing this game now for over 8 months...there about. Some people may have seen my characters or have PTed with them.
Lovegoddess and Stormwalker.
I am NOT a gil seller. Though I have been accussed of being a Gil Buyer, I am not that either. I have earned my gil and I spend it quickly. No time to sell it off, plus being a Rng/Nin, I can't afford to be selling my gil. Also, my Whm is only lvl 30, so I can't do Teleports and my Blm is lvl 20, so no Warp II's for me. I farm NM's, but thus far I'm only 1/3 on the Leaping Lizard and 3/9 for the Valkurm Emperor. I'm also 1/3 for the Crypt Ghost, but I kept the Martial slacks instead of selling them.
I've PTed with a lot of people in the game and I've seen some shady things going on, but I wasn't aware of the Gil selling situation until now. SE needs to step in, cause quite frankly, this is illegal and pirating.
Think about it, Gil is nothing more but a program within a program...a series of numbers. This is property of SE, so all IGE and these other people are doing is selling SE property. Now why exactly, SE hasn't done anything about it, I don't know.
Well, that's my rant, thanks for taking the time to read it.
Lovegoddess
Whm-30
Blm-20
Rng-34
Nin-33
Sam-36
Drk-36
War-42
Pld-24
Thf-18
Glad you were able to "Clear your name" As nice as a list of Gil-sellers can be, as highlighted above, you get into the "Witch-Hunt" Zones, and some people assume when someone has uber gear, and they are on Often, they are a Gil-seller/Buyer. Tis a Shame.
However, I did see a Rank 1 LvL 7 / No Sub wearing Leaping Boots, That, I would more "Point my witch-stick" :p
However, I did see a Rank 1 LvL 7 / No Sub wearing Leaping Boots, That, I would more "Point my witch-stick" :p
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Thanks for notifying me that Pasco and Nozokimi were gil sellers. I'll be sure to never use there teleport service again. I wish we could do something about those damn bots though. That annoys me. Such as Elliw, always in Ordelles Cave is always botting.
Pic0o i use leaping boots on my rank1 war lv 7 with no sj, something wrong with that?
Yeah, I used leaping boots on my alt when I was level 7 too...
And to quote some of the people in my one LS "If their not bothering me by stealing my mineing points or otherwise bothering me I don't care if I use their Teleports." That just annoyed me...
And to quote some of the people in my one LS "If their not bothering me by stealing my mineing points or otherwise bothering me I don't care if I use their Teleports." That just annoyed me...
There is nothing Wrong w/ the Last 2 Posts and having Leaping boots @ 7 w/ no SJ.
I was just giving a case example, and once again, that is why it's hard to know all the Gilsellers, and also, as you see, it can quickly turn into a "Witch-Hunt"
I was just giving a case example, and once again, that is why it's hard to know all the Gilsellers, and also, as you see, it can quickly turn into a "Witch-Hunt"
Scholar
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well it seems that no matter what... people are going to continue to use Pasco and Nozokimi for teleports... >_< I'm trying to get my other fellow WHM's to set up in a way that those 2 are never the only options... but it's kind of hard as many of us do require sleep... have other commitments in our lives... have a LS to work with... have our own characters to try to level...
And now... with that all being said and done...
Why is there the big push for the "Need to have it" mentality with most of these rare drops?
Seriously... Emperor's Hairpin... selling for 340k-250k right now in Jueno... but there are nine of them in the damn AH >_< It's not that bloody rare if there are nine of them up at once.
Let's try another one... Leaping Boots... 290k-320k right now... and how many in AH? Twelve...
You want to stop the gil-sellers? Don't feel the need to get this high-priced stuff. I know a lot of really great players who do not own this stuff. All it does is make people go "ooo" for about 3 seconds and then they are over it. It's a status symbol that you either a) camped the NM youself... of b) you paid someone a lot of cash for the gil to buy that equipment.
If you want to be impressive... get in line... there are a ton of people who want to be the best. And spending your hard earned cash to buy virtual money isn't going to help your status in the game nor in the real world...
And now... with that all being said and done...
Why is there the big push for the "Need to have it" mentality with most of these rare drops?
Seriously... Emperor's Hairpin... selling for 340k-250k right now in Jueno... but there are nine of them in the damn AH >_< It's not that bloody rare if there are nine of them up at once.
Let's try another one... Leaping Boots... 290k-320k right now... and how many in AH? Twelve...
You want to stop the gil-sellers? Don't feel the need to get this high-priced stuff. I know a lot of really great players who do not own this stuff. All it does is make people go "ooo" for about 3 seconds and then they are over it. It's a status symbol that you either a) camped the NM youself... of b) you paid someone a lot of cash for the gil to buy that equipment.
If you want to be impressive... get in line... there are a ton of people who want to be the best. And spending your hard earned cash to buy virtual money isn't going to help your status in the game nor in the real world...
Scholar
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Yep I heard about Pasco being a Gil seller. My LS warned me about him when I was about to use him.
you left out option 3 - farm yourself crosseyed to get them. The implication in your post is that if a player doesn't get the drop but has the item, they buy gil. Not always the case.
You could also try what I did.. I don't own leaping boots or Emp Hairpin for my RNG... but I DID get Winged Boots. Why?
Two reasons, it took me until level 24 to get enough gil to buy the stupid things. and the Second I figured some crafter somewhere had to go out and farm/buy leaping boots and then take a chance of a failed synth (and possible loss of 300K boots) to make the Winged boots and then put them in the AH for about 10K More than the leaping boots. They were the ONLY pair in Jeuno when I bought them.
COULD they have been made by a gil seller? Sure..but do you really think a seller is going to sink the gil required to level a craft highenough to make Winged Boots? I dont.
I'm going to agree with Niekon about the "mindset" thing whole heartedly. In fact, here's a post I put on our LS forums a little while ago...
There is an old marketting addage that claims that no matter WHAT the product is, if you can convince people they MUST have it you will sell millions of them at any price you choose. THe gil sellers might be a pain in the butt..but they know their Economics 101 better than 90% of people playing the game.
Edited, Tue Oct 12 14:06:11 2004 by airamis
You could also try what I did.. I don't own leaping boots or Emp Hairpin for my RNG... but I DID get Winged Boots. Why?
Two reasons, it took me until level 24 to get enough gil to buy the stupid things. and the Second I figured some crafter somewhere had to go out and farm/buy leaping boots and then take a chance of a failed synth (and possible loss of 300K boots) to make the Winged boots and then put them in the AH for about 10K More than the leaping boots. They were the ONLY pair in Jeuno when I bought them.
COULD they have been made by a gil seller? Sure..but do you really think a seller is going to sink the gil required to level a craft highenough to make Winged Boots? I dont.
I'm going to agree with Niekon about the "mindset" thing whole heartedly. In fact, here's a post I put on our LS forums a little while ago...
Quote:
There is something else that everyone needs to take into their heads. IGNORE THE NIKE COMMERCIALS.
Here's what i mean. I'm referring to the old Air Jordan commercials that said "It's gotta be the shoes." The idea of course was that if you paid $200 for AJs at footlocker instead of $15 for Keds at K-Mart you would somehow gain the amazing abilities of an NBA superstar. Because, as we all knew, it was reallyhis footwear that made MJ unstoppable, it had nothing to do with talent.
My point is this ( and I'll use to very high demand Items for Ranger to illustrate it).
Archers Knives give +10 Ranged Accuracy and DMG 11
Hawker's Knives give +11 Ranged Accuracy and DMG 12
The difference here is that Archers will run you anywhere from 25-40K each. Hawkers on the other hand have been averaging 280k-350k each.
The math is pretty simple, if 10 Ranged Accuracy is worth 30k, that's 3K per point of accuracy. So how do you justify a ten fold increase in cost for what amounts to 3k worth of accuracy? Simple, price fixing and the "Gotta be the shoes" attitude. We're told by so many people that you MUST have an item and you MUST do this to be "the best". Bunk.
I never had an Emperor's hairpin and I've played in parties that had another ranger in them and I've hit just as often as they have despite it. So why would I spend 300k on one?
I played with another RNG just a few days ago who had NO + Ranged Accuracy or +AGI items at all..and yes he hit less than I did...but I would not call the difference "dramatic".
My point is that we all want the in game equivalent of "bling bling" and the gil sellers all have it. If people would just get educated to the fact that a 25k crafted item is often just as good as a 300K NM Drop item, you'd squash the sellers immediately. But the reality we're all facing is that Sqaure isn't going to do it, people aren't going to stop buying the drops at AH (unless they get over the fact that, no they DONT need a 7 million gil Peacock Necklace to play the game), and the sellers aren't suddenly going to decide that what they are doing is 'wrong' and stop.
Here's what i mean. I'm referring to the old Air Jordan commercials that said "It's gotta be the shoes." The idea of course was that if you paid $200 for AJs at footlocker instead of $15 for Keds at K-Mart you would somehow gain the amazing abilities of an NBA superstar. Because, as we all knew, it was reallyhis footwear that made MJ unstoppable, it had nothing to do with talent.
My point is this ( and I'll use to very high demand Items for Ranger to illustrate it).
Archers Knives give +10 Ranged Accuracy and DMG 11
Hawker's Knives give +11 Ranged Accuracy and DMG 12
The difference here is that Archers will run you anywhere from 25-40K each. Hawkers on the other hand have been averaging 280k-350k each.
The math is pretty simple, if 10 Ranged Accuracy is worth 30k, that's 3K per point of accuracy. So how do you justify a ten fold increase in cost for what amounts to 3k worth of accuracy? Simple, price fixing and the "Gotta be the shoes" attitude. We're told by so many people that you MUST have an item and you MUST do this to be "the best". Bunk.
I never had an Emperor's hairpin and I've played in parties that had another ranger in them and I've hit just as often as they have despite it. So why would I spend 300k on one?
I played with another RNG just a few days ago who had NO + Ranged Accuracy or +AGI items at all..and yes he hit less than I did...but I would not call the difference "dramatic".
My point is that we all want the in game equivalent of "bling bling" and the gil sellers all have it. If people would just get educated to the fact that a 25k crafted item is often just as good as a 300K NM Drop item, you'd squash the sellers immediately. But the reality we're all facing is that Sqaure isn't going to do it, people aren't going to stop buying the drops at AH (unless they get over the fact that, no they DONT need a 7 million gil Peacock Necklace to play the game), and the sellers aren't suddenly going to decide that what they are doing is 'wrong' and stop.
There is an old marketting addage that claims that no matter WHAT the product is, if you can convince people they MUST have it you will sell millions of them at any price you choose. THe gil sellers might be a pain in the butt..but they know their Economics 101 better than 90% of people playing the game.
Edited, Tue Oct 12 14:06:11 2004 by airamis
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