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Well, I can't comment on that one way or another as I know it wasn't me that said that. But, I do know hearsay can be troublesome and I know Lionze and if he did say that then same on him, but sorry I'll need a bit more evidence to support that claim before I believe he said it like that. Especially considering the agenda of people here. Sorry, but I think anyone would feel the same as me when an unproven comment is made against an LS member.

Furthermore, we are fully aware of the calender and why it exists. Nevertheless, it's still broken, sooooo over broken it's not funny.

Look at the pot call the tea kettle black. You sir, are no intellectual to not spot the obviousness in your own folly.

To this ends I agree, but I don't think that should stop us from also trying to get SE to wake up. But, really, what's the criteria for choosing a site by some (not all that's impossible) LSes out there? What, some other LS said one exist? There's tons of dyna calendar sites on the net, which prey tell is the real one? The answer is: none.

Now, I fully agree there needs to be some coordination. As I'm not the leader of this LS the best I can do is lend a strong suggestion and we sacks vote on it. Nevertheless, something still needs to be done, and I prefer it being civil (generalizing here).

Yes, I've read Lionze's post as well. I apologize for his rather rude behavior. This isn't a way to solve anything, it just makes things worse. I am willing to try the calendar tho. Or find a way to let you all know where we want to go on the day we have runs planned. I expect retaliation. I'm sadden by it, but it is reality. The sooner we can get past this the sooner the server ragnarok and the world of dynamis can go back to normal.

But you weren't being defensive, you were being offensive. There is a difference between the two, but either way you were expressing yourself with immaturity.



It's not about relishing the drama, no one is enjoying this crap. It's about a racist pig leading a dynamis linkshell, and it's pathetic members who support him and his putrid behavior.



WTF does it matter who began the calender? Is that the reason your LS refuses to use it? Because someone else thought of it first? That's just another one of your ignorant attempts at justifying your linkshell's inappropriate disrespect of the other members of the Ragnarok community. You're as pathetic as Lionze.



Um, get your facts straight with your leader, he posted this BS in a whole new unnecessary thread:

Yet you do anyway, lol.



This isn't a court of law and since you don't matter no one needs to provide you with evidence of anything. Several members of several linkshells have stated they were cursed and treated rudely by Lionze and other members of StarsMaker. You can turn a blind eye all you want, but at some point you have to pull your head out and see what is staring you straight in the face. The racist behavior exhibited by Lionze and the members of his linkshell is wrong.



What agenda? If you are going to make off the wall remarks like that, back your crap up. If you claim that someone here has an agenda, then you must know what it is...so state it.



You've stated that the calender is broken, and that it is fundamentally flawed. Again, back your crap up. Explain how it is broken or flawed.

You're exceptionally weak at debate. You throw out points but then fail to follow through with them.

Yeah, me too. In fact, the only communication Lionze has responded with, on numerous occasions, is in anger. On boards, in tells, etc.



Well, when he acts the way he does there are going to be people angry enough to retaliate against him. Just tell him to be a little more open minded, to get over his hatred of American people, and show his fellow human beings some common courtesy and respect. It's called the golden rule.



But doesn't that tell you something? If he is receiving /tells everyday with threats and insults, then clearly he is pissing off a lot of the community. That community is a strong force in itself, and deliberately going against it is rather stupid. Not using the calender just because it was from an American website/shell is not an acceptable reason. I think we are all well aware that SE needs to do something about this Dynamis thing, but until that happens there has to be some sort of organization. Is Lionze just trying to be rebellious for the sake of it? I mean, this behavior he exhibits is rebelling against his peers...his equals. It's not like marching up to an authoritative or governmental agency and protesting for a right.



Thanks, that is very mature of you. It's good to see someone willing to cooperate and work together as a team. :)

EPIC FORUM BATTLEZ!!!!!

Again Kysah thank you for being very understanding and mature, not following the leader just because he's your leader, instead voicing your own opinions and not afraid to speak your mind. Hopefully you guys will come to a decision and when you do, please let us know <3

I debated on if I should waste the time to post or not. In the end, I decided after reading Kysah & Jereth's posts that maybe the effort spent writing this post would not be totally in vain.

Back when Lionze was using Dynamite to cause his havoc on our little Ragnarok EU/NA Dynamis ecosystem, I had the misfortune of making his acquaintance. I tried speaking with him about Dynamite using the calender since he had entered a zone that our Dynamis LS WorshipTheFloor was about to enter.

As many others have said, he initially claimed he did not know about it. Then he simply stated that he did not care about the Calendar and that he could not set times on it because his LS didn't know what times they were going to go to Dynamis. He repeated over and over that his LS just went when they had enough people and to whatever zone they felt like if it was empty.

After myself, and another Senior Officer from WorshipTheFloor failed speaking with him, we wrote him off as someone who was just unwilling to compromise. I hoped in time, that even though we were unable to make headway with him, another Dynamis shell might succeed where we didn't. Later, after having the issue happen again under their new name Starsmakers it became apparent that he did not change his views.

We all know that the Dynamis System as it is now is broken. Square-Enix however in their infinite wisdom have deemed it a moot issue and instead of making the zones instanced like they should have been, they're instead focusing their efforts elsewhere. Square-Enix created a problem, how we answer that problem is what defines us as linkshells. With each passing year, it becomes more apparent that we are to be left to our own devices to keep some semblance of order in the chaos.

The Dynamis Calender for Ragnarok is not solely used by North Americans. The Calendar not only is used currently, but also has been used in the past by EU as well. The Japanese do not use it, but they have their own system and very rarely do they encroach upon our times leaving no reason to use it. Lionze came into this system, and while it's true he is not required by Square Enix to adapt to it, he is required to do so by his fellow peers on Ragnarok. Simply stating that he cannot control when he does the runs, then constantly doing the runs in the same time pattern has gotten old and is a blatant excuse at this point.

I think finally we are all on the same page. Square-Enix broke Dynamis from it's inception, we all agree. Square-Enix does not require you to use the Calendar, we all agree. Linkshells on Ragnarok in the NA/EU time zones who do not use the Calendar are ostracized and ridiculed, we all agree. The solution then is simple. As you stated Kysah, start using the Calendar. Pick a common time that the majority of your members can go. Register on the Calendar forum. Plan Starsmaker's runs for the current month for whatever zone you can get until you reach a point on the Calendar that is empty. If done properly, and done correctly you can schedule your linkshell runs months in advance. This will virtually guarantee that you'll have your first pick of zones.

I just want to say Kysah and Jereth, if you two alone are aware that all this could have been avoided by simply using the Calendar then that is enough. Two Officers against one should be enough of a reason for Lionze to accept the Calendar. If he is worried about retaliation he has no reason to fear it from WorshipTheFloor. Just honor the reservations placed on the Calendar and you will have no reprisals from us for your past transgressions. I cannot speak for Woot, or Onigiri but I am willing to bet that even though there are hard feelings on all sides they are willing to put this to rest.

If Lionze still doesn't see the path he took led him to this current situation for him and his members, Kysah & Jereth you two owe it to yourselves and your fellow members to stage a coup d’état. Your devotion and defense of Lionze is admirable, but there is a point where your solidarity turns into a handicap. You're making excuses for him when he himself should be the one willing to communicate and set things right. Language barrier or not, he has shown by his past actions and current posts that he is probably not the best person suited to be handling a Dynamis LS. I wish you both luck with your future Dynamis runs, and hope you understand and soak in all that myself and others have said to you here on these forums.




Edited, Sep 16th 2008 12:20pm by SoramimiCake

what happens to my mouth? O_o

Kysah is right we are not willing to steal anyone´s taken area, actually i check the calendar trying not to direct my ls to a taken one

My goodness Bethany that's a mighty post. I appreciate it tho. Jereth and I as well as the other sacks are working hard to do what we can. Dynamis politics is fun huh? Been working in my forums with lots of discussion and making lots of headway. All that's really needed now is some scheduling conflicts to recede so that I have a proper schedule to make. Or if Lionze actually wants to do the calendar instead of me, we still need this figured out.

I am thankful for everyone's positive reactions to my posts and happy people are listening. I believed things could be resolved with proper communication and willingness to listen without getting personal.

I am sorry tho it had to come to very angry remarks made by everyone for it to reach this point. I'm sure some feelings will never go away on either side from what has been said. I am hopeful tho that relations between everyone will get better from here and continue to prosper.