Dynamis LS warningFollow

You're still missing the point. What makes it the right site is that it's been in use for several years and accepted by all current dynamis linkshells as a means to organize ourselves...with the exception of this idiotic StarsMaker LS. And don't even start again with the SE issue, we've already covered that. We know it needs to be fixed, but until it is we have this calender to use. Refusing to use it because it isn't official, or you want to rebel against it, is lame. Sure you're not going to break any SE rules, but like I said...the Ragnarok community is a fairly strong force and if you continue to **** them off, there will be further repercussions.



So let's not use a calender at all because there will be conflict? That's retarded. Actually, it's been quite efficient over the years with very little issues, and when there has been conflict then it is dealt with. Not using something because you fear conflict is another lame reason you're giving.



Lies. You've made responses to his post. You're choosing to ignore his words because you have nothing to counter with. You're a member of a linkshell run by a leader that hates Americans...that inherently hates you. Now you are doing nothing but trying to save face after he has made a fool out of you and several other members of that linkshell. Have you no pride? To stand up and refuse to be hated by the person you follow?

You are welcome, as I said in my post the only reason I put for the effort was because I saw a glimmer of hope that you and Jereth may be the only ones receptive to what it was so many were trying to accomplish here.



When I myself approached Lionze, I extended him an olive branch and was as polite as I could be in offering him information on what to do as far as how the Calendar worked and where to go. I did not say to him "Que Maricon de mierda eh? ("What a ******!") or something like "Learn to use the damn Calendar you Jaja!". I don't know why his version is that we all attacked him first, when I can nearly guarantee that when Woot, Onigiri, and WorshipTheFloor initially tried to resolve this matter, they all did so peacefully & from an informative perspective.

As I stated earlier above, whenever a new Dynamis LS appears in the NA/EU time zone there are two choices. Adapt and conform, or face the consequences of failing to do so. I don't think Lionze fully grasped the concept of the Calender to begin with. From what I see, he thinks that he can never have the times/areas he desires but that is not the case. All that is required is for now Starsmakers takes whatever zone is empty on the Calendar in your desired time slot/day. Your choices of course will initially be limited, but in time you with enough planning ahead on the Calendar you can have your pick.

Dynamite/Starsmakers is not the first Dynamis LS in NA/EU time zones to not initially know about the Calendar. You are however the first to blatantly refuse to initially use it out of sheer unwillingness to compromise. This is not an American versus European thing, this is a humanity thing. Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.



All of this hatred and name calling is unfortunate but Lionze needs to know that the brunt of all this is his doing. Lionze making posts saying things about America, then in another post saying that it was all a tactic to show how his members felt was laughable at best and only served to show how flawed his thought process truely is.

Again, I urge you and Jereth to exercise your power as sackholders in Starsmakers to bring about the change you see so desperately needs to happen. Lionze is only complicating things and making matters worse. I know you cannot restrain him from making a mockery of you both, but the least you can do is voice your disapproval loudly enough that he listens. After all, he says that his members happiness is something he values above all else. If that is truely the case, it is in their best interest that this all be resolved.

Lionze posted in another post that he was open to a meeting of officers in Jeuno if we all apologized to his members, then he would be willing to meet in there for a peace summit if you will. Again, not to belittle him but there is no need for such a thing to take place. All that myself and the other linkshells are asking for is if he wants us to respect his members, and stop the guilty by association attacks, then he has to use the Calendar.

Lionze needs to learn that he must give the other Dynamis LS of Ragnarok respect. This respect must come before we then reciprocate and give it back to him and his Dynamis LS. We all had to earn our places and standing with one another on the Calendar too. We are not asking him anything different than we would ask of ourselves, or any other new upstart Dynamis LS; whatever their time zone or nationality.

I'm going to wrap this up with a an old Spanish proverb directed towards Lionze. "If you want to be respected, you must respect yourself." Respect yourself enough Lionze to do the right thing by your members. You will find that many who criticize you will in time rally to your defense in times of need if only you would do the right thing.


Edited, Sep 16th 2008 12:19pm by SoramimiCake

So let me get this straight, you read someone's comment, and before you finish reading all the other posts in the thread, you have a tantrum? I understand you say the calendar is flawed, and from reading some posts on your own forums, you seem to think that what's the difference between Spikeflail calendar, and one that you could create. Well the fact that the majority of dynamis shells use this. EU/ US linkshells alike. The fact that you are bickering and using the same excuses over and over just shows you are too stubborn and only refuse to use the calendar for sake of arguing and bothering people even further. Grow up. Do whats best FOR THE MAJORITY. Not because you've got your panties in a bunch. Even though, i have to admit, that's not very comfortable.

Protip: Don't assume you know something you don't. I never said that was the only one.



Protop: Learn to read period. We'll save comprehension for an advanced course. One such site was listed already, and google will produce plenty more.



No claim? Have you read your posts and then read his in a subjective manner or have you passed that point in your defensiveness already?



Once again you're no better than the people you insult. But of course you cannot see this.



No reasoning? It's self-evident to anyone who can read, you're just as crass and tasteless.



Childish. If the time stamps on the site won't convince you then nothing will dissuade your illusions. What would I gain to lie about this? Nothing. Nice scapegoat though, I suppose.



And yet your retaliation is the in the same exact vein. And I didn't refuse to furnish a reason; you simply missed it. Lastly (can I can use that word if I want to), you provided nothing in the way of a reason yourself.

And considering this is yes/no arguing with no substance and you being so childish and enjoying the futility of your stubbornness... I have better things to do. If you thought you won, then so be it. But then again, winning a fool's game still leaves you being the fool.

If you can produce anything even remotely close to logic I'll try again. Until then, my time spent talking to a brick wall is done.

Edited, Sep 16th 2008 1:20pm by Jereth

You mean http://www.dynamiscalendar.com/? Funny, cause the Ragnarok section is COMPLETELY EMPTY. Uh huh, a "bunch of people use that other site"....

The "other site" I was referring to was www.dynamiscalendar.com. All the other linkshells (cept for your's) uses Spikeflail's dynamis calendar.

You pretty much said, "we don't use the SF one, because other people might be using this OTHER website!" Too bad, no one uses the "other website", just the SF one.

Right, not everyone uses the SF calendar. The JP have their own, which does not conflict with the SF calendar schedule. Other than that, the majority of the NA/EU dynamis shells use the SF one.



The fact that NO ONE uses the dynamiscalendar.com website proves the fact that you are indeed less right. Also, "too many sites"? I googled "FFXI dynamis calendar ragnarok" and guess what came up for results. Two sites. That's it, just two sites, dynamiscalendar.com, which no one uses on Ragnarok, and Spikeflail's calendar, which all the NA/EU linkshells use, but not your linkshell.



SE has repeated stated that they will NOT change how the dynamis zones work. Get over your "I'm better than your linkshell" attitude, and tell your shellholder to reserve dyanmis zones like everyone else.

HEY! I'm from louisiana, no need to be racist bummage! D:

I suppose perhaps my request for the list of people from Starsmaker to at least be reduced was too much. Or perhaps my other ls mates doomed that by the way this is being handled. Forgive me Lionze for feeling a bit defeated in attempting to help this linkshell from your unreasonable remarks. I know what you're trying to do, it's just not coming out right at all. Best thing I suggest is to stop. No need to give more fuel to the fire.

I'm here in attempt to help protect my personal friends I've invited into the shell. As well as the other people I've come to respect with in the shell. Taking responsibility is an important thing for a leader as well as acting as such. The tactics you've chosen are not leader like. Please stop to think before you make any more posts to prevent more damage from happening. I'm saying this as a friend as well as someone who is concerned for the others in our linkshell that do not deserve this treatment.

I know, i was just kidding, i guess you didn't pick up on it. I kinda found it funny people saying lionze's anti america comments were racist as well. Prejudice, not racist. But i still managed to call what Lionze said as racist, perhaps because it has more of a sting than the word prejudice. Just found it funny :X

Edited, Sep 16th 2008 7:55pm by Tokyorose

YOu mean, even more despicable then Berrima, Jaffla, Uncle Tug Tug, and Amadork?

omg NOWAI!

Heck yeah man. I'm the anti-christ. Didn't you get the memo? lol

We don't need no steeenkin' history lessons up in here to help change people's thinking. And remember folks, if I say something is bad, it really means good when being baited and twisted.

Please listen. The reason for Sandoria's run today is because not all our members have access. Yes, you've seen us in Beaucedine. Some of our best players we have tho need access still. I am hoping to get us to start the run at least one hour early today to avoid this conflict. If not I will be talking to Lionze to help persuade another Beaucedine run and plan Sandoria for another day. I know that my colleges haven't helped this issue. I am trying tho. I'm sure it won't be to tough to convince the move since a couple unfortunately can't come to today run due to in real life issues. These people need Sandoria. Please tho, we don't use the calendar to see who's going where for the sole purpose of "stealing". We have reasons for the runs we do and they are legit reasons. You may not see it that way and I'm sure there's no way to convince you. All you see are my words for it. My goal still remains tho. To end this tension between us all and have better relations.