Without windower my FFXI will crash out my computer for some strange reason and I will have to restart the whole thing only to have it eventually happen again. Maybe I need a new PC or whatever but if I run with windower the game never crashes. Go figure.

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You know now that I read this litle thing from what SE said about the use of thrid party tools I have come to figure something out. SE is not tring to stop people from using this third party tools becasue they want to be jerks or because they do not want people to beable to alt-tab out of the game. How would you like it if you went and shelled out 15 mill on your char for something like the Nobles tunic then becuase you were using a third party tool you loged off and came back on and low and behold your bran new extremly over priced armor has vanished from your accout. SE is not tring to hamper people fromplaying the game in a why that you guys feel you have to have with the program to change jobs at will and the windower program alot of people out there think they have to have even though ALL third party programs are against the rules each and every person has agreed on that has wever loged into this game. Do you realize that even though the tool may seem harmless that it could also install with out you ever knowing a key tracker that can monitor everything you type on your computer and that can include your creditcard number and everything the people would need to use that creditcard to use it as they please on line? I think what is going on here is you all want to complain that SE is taking actions to try and protect there players from people getting therer information for malice intent. I think everyone needs to think on this kind of thing before you scream at SE or people like me that are only tring to make the people out ther that complain that they can not use a windoer program or cheats like this one.
I think that all of the people that sit here and complain and b*&@ch that SE is tring to keep you from use a windower they them self chose not to install for a reason that they may have but just have not given you all. Think on this how would you like to find out that your windower program made it so some person was able to get your creditcard then go on a buying spree on it on ebay or something like that and cost you thousands of dollers because there is no true way on line to track where someone it useing a card like that from if they happen to be in a plave that your country may not have any kind of treaties with that can alow the police to do a damn thing. Just think on that for a momnet please before you all state yelling at SE. THEY ARE TRING ONLY TO PROTECT YOU AND YOUR GAMING EXPERINCE

Yes, technically Fraps is violating the TOS; however, so is Windows itself. Windows itself is a third party program. Even before Windows there was DOS which is a third party program. Anything running on your computer when you log in is a third party program. I think someone already mentioned that S-E is interested in programs that 'alter' the FFXI game. A standard windower should not. Fraps does not. So is S-E going to ban you for it? probably not because I don't see how anything would send a flag to S-E's FFXI police.

We are the ones giving S-E money. We are the ultimate authority when it comes to how S-E does business because without us S-E has no business. I can and do demand S-E deal with gil-sellers and cheaters in a clear, concise, and responsible manner. Banning someone because they had to use a windower to play the game is not a responsible action and hense it is unexceptable. Sure I as an individual make no difference to S-E but the entire player base does and when people start modifying their actions to further what they 'want' S-E will listen. My point is simple. We are the boss not S-E. If we don't want cheaters then we demand S-E get rid of them. If we don't want gilsellers we demand S-E get rid of them. Most importantly we do our part too. So what if a GM says 'I can't do anything', log a petition anyhow. The log will be saved and if they get enough petitions then they 'can' do something even if one person's testimony is not enough.



There is no moogle in Selbina because it is not necessary. It is also not 'necessary' to get a raise if you die lvling in the Dunes. I am tired of hearing people over LS chat 'demand' a raise in the Dunes. The reason Whm's don't get raise until lvl 25 is because you don't need it. What you do need are home points and there are two of those in the Dunes and one in Selbina. In Qufim there are two as well. You can easily deathport to whatever your HP is and get back to lvling. Anyone who has even approached high levels knows that the xp you loose from dieing in Kazham is a joke let alone the xp you loose in the Dunes or Qufim. There is no massive conspiracy theory trying to cheat you out of money. The reason you can't warp everywhere is to force you to 'experience' the game. FFXI is a visually stunning game and I myself am rarely bored while riding a chocobo or walking wherever I need to go and I've been playing for about one and a half years now.


I've played WoW too and recently went back to it to see the new content. After a month I am done with it and will probably wait another half year before seeing more content. I believe a friend of mine said it best; WoW is the most polished and well refined incomplete game he ever played. I doubt Blizzard will ever get their act together and will eventually run WoW into the ground.

FFXI on the other hand is the second MMORG I have played. (EVE being the first) I think I will always 'return' to FFXI even though I may take a break from time to time. At least that is what I have been doing so far. Maybe that is what some people need; to take a break and fac ut vivas.

i took a look into these programs, and decided to try and make my own, (not for actual use mind you, i send alot of retarded rant mails to se, i thought this might help them lol) anyway, i eventually took the program called X-link kai, a program to run an lan ps2 game on the internet, I simply modified this program and i experimented with it, i foud that i could change things on my ps2 ff11 throught my computer, simply by tracking the isp of my ps2, i ended up having a WHM/WAR with charm and call wyvern (as well as a few thingts i took off splinter cell and stuck in), i got booted by a gm almost immediatly, but i went back on, got my guy back up with this program, and deleted the file before they locked out my credit card, i figured they might do this if they saw me on with it again. before anyone goes and says im a liar, go, learn to hack, find some programs that can be modified just slightly to fit your purposes
(x-link kai's internet tracking for example),find the game you want tracked, and have fun, please dont send me hate mail (i am aware that i will prolly be rated down, but i think this is a topic worthy of post)thanks for listening, for all non-beleivers, learn to hack. face reality.

I can believe SE would do this, in WoW we are allowed to have all types of addins and customizing the user interface is actually encouraged b/c it really helps the massive team aspect of "instances" or bcnms at endgame. I have over 20 addons that speed up modifying my character like instance armor and weapons switching, detailed maps of dungeons with mob pops marked off etc. I kinda think as a player of both games that SE wants you to keep running from Selbina to Bastok to change jobs etc. all day instead of getting endgame stuff done. Instant job changing would probably have sped up the game considerably. For instance, Whm leaves (god how many times has this happened >_<) Ranger #1: "np i can switch jobs to Whm/Blm just look for another DD OR keep going", Rangers #2-3, "good idea we got it under control." This would rule in a game where leveling parties are so crucial to advancing. Thats my 2g anyhoo.

I've read through this thread and I havn't seen much with regards to SE's own complicity in the third party software situation. Early MMORPGs such as Everquest quickly learned that the trusted client architecture is bad and leads to problems like item duping or in FFXI's case, inapropriate job changes. If you don't want third party apps showing other peoples TP, just don't send it. If you don't want them changing jobs at inapropriate times, just don't do whatever the client tells you to. A more secure architecture would remove the "people will cheat if they can play the game in windowed mode" excuse.

People will play in windowed mode no matter what SE does. They'll also try to cheat no matter what. Dealing with that preemptivly is part of SE's job.

For the record, I play on the PS2, I'm also a software engineer and firmly beleive that SE's bad design is not a reason to deny end-users a simple feature they obviously want.

I have a problem to log in the lobby server, what is wrong with the server? Is anyone has problem with it? Please let me know. I hope it is not just me has this problem =(

thank you

Here is a way to deal with this whole problem (for ps2 users only)
purchase a high end video capture card, rerout your video and audio output from your ps2 into your computer, and get a switchable splitter for your keyboard to go into both your ps2 and computer. This should allow you to run ffxi, from you ps2, in a windowed mode on your computer screen^^ while still having access to the rest of your computer

I play on ps2, i have a laptop. If i need info, i open laptop, look it up. So basically everyone just needs a second computer. or they can suck it up, deal and with it.

well at least this is a new topic,and not beating that old dead horse topic rate up for a new crime against square.

I have purchased this game, and expansions for both PS2 and Windows. I love my PC and this game looks/plays better on my PC (besides the obvious advantage of the DualShock). I recently re-baselined my PC and my Direct3D will not work, i have re-installed drivers and directX and pretty much every thing that i could read on the forums (btw, if anyone has had this same problem, let me know what you did to correct it) anyway, on software alone i have spent over $150, plus monthly fees since April 2004. 12.50x16=$200.
basically, i've spent over $350 to play this game and even though my PC is overqualified to play this game, i can't play it, until i read that a windower program could run the game despite the Direct3D problem. I have no "malicious intent" and i do not use this program to cheat (don't even know how i could) all i want to do is get my moneys worth to play the game that i love. I believe in the ethics of the game, i don't buy/sell gil or items and i certainly can't warp all over the place. I find that my running on a windower necessary to play the game(until i can fix my problem, so please, tell me how). If i lose my account due to this...i don't know. anyway, let me know what you guys think; is this wrong, am i somehow ruining the game or cheating? if you think so, feel free to tell me ^^. Enjoy the game, don't cheat, play as you can. laterz.

-Draqeon, Sylph
70RDM/35BLM

What a great idea for a program!

Too bad it got busted ; ;

If they would just add a damn nomad moogle in selbina, none of this would have ever happened.