Shield
| Type: | Melee |
| Realm: | All |
| Classes: | Armsman, Blademaster, Champion, Heretic, Hero, Mercenary, Minstrel, Paladin, Reaver, Scout, Thane, Valkyrie, Warden, Warrior |
Anonymous
Is there anyone out there with real experience on the Engage style. The information listed about the style above isn't the outcome that I am getting. Best case scenario is that it is a taunt, but I can't be sure because I am never in the position to turn heal chant off with my paladin...
Anonymous
Hehe, don't listen to them. Here is how engage works (and trust me, this is coming from 45 Thane and uses that every day):
If you have a target and you engage it (shield must be equiped) then you will BLOCK ALL the attacks from that target. Supposedly the real chance of blocking when engaged is 90% * quality * condition of the shield however I never seen that fail so I think they changed that to all attacks.
Engage WILL save your life because this is only thing you can do against archers solo. If you are shot by the archer a quick /face and engage will save your life because now you can just walk to him. You will block all his arrows.
There is alway downside. When you engaged you lose end at a constant rate (about 2-3min for the while bar at lvl45). Also you deal no damage at all when engaged.
If you have a target and you engage it (shield must be equiped) then you will BLOCK ALL the attacks from that target. Supposedly the real chance of blocking when engaged is 90% * quality * condition of the shield however I never seen that fail so I think they changed that to all attacks.
Engage WILL save your life because this is only thing you can do against archers solo. If you are shot by the archer a quick /face and engage will save your life because now you can just walk to him. You will block all his arrows.
There is alway downside. When you engaged you lose end at a constant rate (about 2-3min for the while bar at lvl45). Also you deal no damage at all when engaged.
Anonymous
But take care, when you already in melee and start engage. You will get 2 or 3 hits before it works. So don't think its broken. Only that is not useful when you'r already low on hitpoints and try engage in the fight. The two *free* attacks will kill you then.
And beware, if the healer or the nuker casts a spell on the mob you're engaging, it will aggro and you can forget the engage.
So coordination is needed with the group.
And I survived an attack from a purple saracen scout by using it, the group killed him and none of us needed a rezz.
(And I love the blocking-noise)
Irinait
And beware, if the healer or the nuker casts a spell on the mob you're engaging, it will aggro and you can forget the engage.
So coordination is needed with the group.
And I survived an attack from a purple saracen scout by using it, the group killed him and none of us needed a rezz.
(And I love the blocking-noise)
Irinait
Anonymous
It is sort of a taunt, but works as it says in the description. If you engage a creature, you concentrate on your shield and don't do any damage to it but it will attack you and all your damage comes off of your endurance. I don't think you'd ever use this while soloing, but if you are in a group and there are add's, you can tie them up with this attack while others take care of business and then come and finish off your creature. Similar to a theurgist using a root spell to freeze an additional creature coming in to attack your group.
Anonymous
I'm not getting nearly the amount of blocks that the percentage suggests. It could be that I am using it while others are attacking the same mob. I was hoping that Engage could be used like the defensive disciplines in EQ. I will have to try Engage against a single mob with no one hitting it...
Anonymous
Its quite simple, when u click Shield, is it in the Defense part of Melee? MELEE so its actually a melee stuff, u want to use ur shield to fight? go ahead and add spez points into shield, if u dont and just wanna block? then dont put any points, i doubt blocking has anything to adding spez points.
Anonymous
MAN ARE YOU GUYS BLIND?! look at the top of the page...read...it tells you what the shield spec does...puh-thetic, just what i'd expect from sniveling, foolish albs.
The Hib
The Hib
Anonymous
I think what he was trying to say was that speccing in shields makes you better at melee attacks with your shield, not blocking.
I wholeheartedly agree.
If it werent thus, the shield skill would have far too much attached to it to not make it unbalancing(and also completely worthless for non tanks to use a shield).
your blocking is based on your shield(as well as some other minor factors, of course), just like your defense is based on your armor. thats why shield spec isnt what is required to USE shields.
anyone can use a shield defensively, you have to put points into it in order to use that defensive item offensively(and quite effectively, i might add)
I wholeheartedly agree.
If it werent thus, the shield skill would have far too much attached to it to not make it unbalancing(and also completely worthless for non tanks to use a shield).
your blocking is based on your shield(as well as some other minor factors, of course), just like your defense is based on your armor. thats why shield spec isnt what is required to USE shields.
anyone can use a shield defensively, you have to put points into it in order to use that defensive item offensively(and quite effectively, i might add)
Anonymous
Not only that, but when you actually do spend the time to puzzle it out, its completely wrong.
30 posts
Wow...I don't think I've ever read anything so incomprehensible in my entire life...
Anonymous
What did he just say???????
Anonymous
Could you possibly use any more d00dspeak and be any more incomprehensible?
32 posts
I don't remember exactly when you get guard (5-6 I think) but what it does is quite simple ... you pick a party member, and you set your guard on them. You/they have to stay close for this to work.
Once in a while ... you will stick out your Shield and literally block (not reduce) an attack on the guarded character.
This is very useful on either Berserkers, shadowblades or if your caster likes to get their nose dirty ... the caster ... but they have to be close to you ...
2 tanks Duoing set guard on each other ... works great too ...
Anyway ... multiple possibilities ...
Once in a while ... you will stick out your Shield and literally block (not reduce) an attack on the guarded character.
This is very useful on either Berserkers, shadowblades or if your caster likes to get their nose dirty ... the caster ... but they have to be close to you ...
2 tanks Duoing set guard on each other ... works great too ...
Anyway ... multiple possibilities ...
Anonymous
at lvl 9 i trined my shield from 1 to 5 and i notice a huge difference in the amount of blocks . dunno if its a lvl thing but it there is a noticable difference . ill run it with thrust since training pole arm gives no extra damage just techniques . i ran through 8 with a wiz and cabablist in the tomb and with the 1h/shield combo with sting i think it is for taunt they could chain nuke or the wiz could pull then resume nukes after two hits with no agro to them .hell we only died to trains 2x and made a lvl in a couple hrs . does anyone know what is good vs what kind of armor ? i hear the one , not slash or thrust is good against plate but whats slash and thrust good against ? im albion and i looked through the midgards and noticed they cap at chain and way later then albion armsmen . i just happen to have a nice 1h thrust off another char is why i went thrust and i have a rL friend 26 armsmen that has been told the hammer one is best vs plate but who cares if only one of the classes in the 2 realms use plate against albion ?
any RVR vets out there can help ? im running 4 chars up and they are all getting into the teens . the cabalist is about useless i think cept for his ghetto heals, my cleric is pure heals and buffs , my wiz and armsman will be my main offensive weapons .....
any RVR vets out there can help ? im running 4 chars up and they are all getting into the teens . the cabalist is about useless i think cept for his ghetto heals, my cleric is pure heals and buffs , my wiz and armsman will be my main offensive weapons .....
Anonymous
i actualy do think training any combat skill dose increase you max / min damage (just wanted to point out)
When refering to polearms if you use say, a halberd (slash / polearm skill) then:
your polearm skill dictates your MAX damage
your slash skill dictates your MIN damage
and i also belive that yes your shield skill dose add to your % block rate
hope this helps to figure out the skill listings :-)
if im wrong, dont flame, just put a post under mine saying the correct info Thanks
Beth -Excaliber (Euro Beta server $$$)
When refering to polearms if you use say, a halberd (slash / polearm skill) then:
your polearm skill dictates your MAX damage
your slash skill dictates your MIN damage
and i also belive that yes your shield skill dose add to your % block rate
hope this helps to figure out the skill listings :-)
if im wrong, dont flame, just put a post under mine saying the correct info Thanks
Beth -Excaliber (Euro Beta server $$$)
Anonymous
I not totally sure but i beleave that alot of thes special also effect blocking hits for other party members like casters. I was in a fight and the caster in my group moved between me and the target and when the target went by it said that i had blocked a hit ment for them. There are alot of abilitys that are not listed for the shild that should be here based on them not comming up as special moves but abilitys in the listing in the game
Anonymous
I havent put my points into shields past 8. I'm a champion and I block just as much as always..in fact I still use only numb1 and the dmg output minorly increases as I lvl.....but still block just as well if not better with each lvl. I guess possibly its your call if you think the new attack styles are worth the points.
Anonymous
Duh... If you don't put anymore spec points into shield then you will "block just as much as always". The point being, that you if you put MORE spec points into it you will have a better chance of blocking each attack and therefore block MORE.
Anonymous
I have shield maxxed for my level. Which type of shield will I block the most with? Heater or Tower? Also how well is the shield skill at higher levels?
Anonymous
I got the ability guard about 3 or 4 lvl of spec in shield. I know its to guard someone in a group but what does it do??
Anonymous
This off the top of my head. I know I saw it posted somewhere but its 5% to block attack with a shield just having one. Then every point into it give you a .5% more. So if you have 2 points in it then you have a 5% + 1%= 6% to block. I could be off some but I very sure that what was said.
You're talking about parry, but maybe that's the same thing with shield I don't know...
Nyl, 8th Elvish Champion on Kay
Nyl, 8th Elvish Champion on Kay
Anonymous
I've read a testimonial that a high-level armsman boosted his shield skill up many levels all at once in one of his upper levels and didn't see his character blocking anymore than he used to.
Seems to show that for shields, your ability to block is based on your character level, not spec level. You spec in a shield to get styles, not to block better.
Note: this might be a bug, since so many people expect it to work with specs, if so a patch might make it so that shields blocks are affected by spec levels in the future... The game is new so drastic changes might occur pretty frequently for awhile.
Seems to show that for shields, your ability to block is based on your character level, not spec level. You spec in a shield to get styles, not to block better.
Note: this might be a bug, since so many people expect it to work with specs, if so a patch might make it so that shields blocks are affected by spec levels in the future... The game is new so drastic changes might occur pretty frequently for awhile.
Anonymous
Does training this skill raise the chance of blocking an attack? Or just give these counter attacks?
Scholar
22 posts
My main is a Friar, that can use a shield, but i dont (just staves). But I got my Armsman up and he is doing very well, with just a shield and sword. I got my shield up to 7 and got engage and numb. Numb isnt a very good stun, but pretty good damage. Engage can only be used in a group. But the Shield/Sword combo is very good. I just cant wait til i get the crossbow.
Which classes can train in this skill? It says some can use but not train, which makes me think they can not use special attacks....
Anonymous
Just an FYI, Even the first stun is quite usefull in a group, it stuns the enemy for one second, and it takes about 3 seconds to set yourself up to use the stun. So you effectivly reduce an enemies ability to do damage by 1/3 for the combat. I would imagine medium and long duration stuns are awesome...
Anonymous
Actually you cannot keep the enemy stunned 1/3rd of the time, because you can only stun the enemy twice before you start getting a message that the mob is no longer stunnable. I have seen other posts stating that you could only do it once to a mob, but I got numb last night and it seems to work twice before i get the this doesn't work anymore message. Numbs stun helps a little, but the suprising thing is it deals more damage than my equally specced 10 37 thruster.
Anonymous
the other thing about the numb stun effect is it taunts. that one second of stun helps increase your hate and pull mobs off your casters. coupled with some of the crushing styles you could keep agro very easily off your nukers and clerics to the point where they can chain cast all day and not get hit. a chanting pally can shield bash, and crush things to his heart content. and never lose agro. some times a bad thing though.
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